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In this episode of the IN-CJ podcast, John Scott spoke with Claudia Mazzucato who is an Associate Professor of Criminal Law at the Catholic University in Milan, Italy and a Restorative Justice Practitioner. The discussion considered how there is a need for a form of restorative justice for the people of Italy as they take stock of the impact of the pandemic, and the need for a sense of public justice that avoids punitive responses while respecting and acknowledging the sense of anger and grief that many people feel.